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Steve kittle

I don't know about you, but there are plenty of my friends, including myself who want to see ORIGINAL BIRTH CERTIFICATE AND COLLEGE RECORDS. He owes the American people that much....I had to produce a Birth cert when I requested a passport.....He's no better than me.......

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FactCheck is run by the Annenberg Foundation which was run by Ayres and Obama.

Wake Up!

Webmaster comment: Expanding on the above comment... From http://texasdarlin.wordpress.com

A Few Facts and Observations:

First, keep in mind: Senator Obama was the first Chairman of the Board of the Chicago Annenberg Challenge, which was a Division, or Project, of the Annenberg Foundation.

William (Bill) Ayers, unrepentant Weather Underground terrorist and a friend of the Obamas, was instrumental in founding the Challenge, thanks to his ties to Mayor Richard Daley. The first Daley was also a pal of Thomas Ayers, Bill’s father, former CEO of ComEd (owned by Exelon).

[Incidentally, the current CEO of ComEd, Frank M. Clark, is a major money bundler for the Obama campaign.]

You’ll recall that that the Annenberg files have suddenly been locked down under mysterious circumstances, after a reporter was promised access.

Factcheck.org, used as a resource by so many who wish to “debunk” negative coverage of Obama, is also a Division, or Project, of the Annenberg Foundation.

You’ll recall that Factcheck was the second site to publish the now-suspect Certificate of Live Birth (COLB) reportedly received from the Obama campaign.

[The Annenberg Foundation and family has an interesting history that we may examine in more detail.]

d davidson

To bloger Hunner:
Dont be fooled. FactCheck is run by folks connected to obama. Check it out!

Bobbye

Hey my fellow Americans....it's simple....a legitimate question has been asked. Why won't Obama just produce the document in question. Why is he making such a "fuss". Unless he is hiding something....which only fans the fires of distrust and disbelief. The American people CAN handle the truth...we have trouble handling the duplicity of how Obama has responded....He wants to be our president and yet he doesn't want to be transparent in answering legitimate questions about his qualifications and credentials? Let's turn the focus on asking Obama and the DNC to comply with the judge so we can move beyond this major stumbling block to forward progress....we have serious work to do and Obama is doing a huge disservice to the American people by not cooperating....let's email our requests for him to cooperate fully NOW...Yes We Can!!

Hunner

fc:

Fact Check is a non-partisan website...as a matter of fact the President and founder's daugher Leonore, has endorsed McCain.

You are spinning your information. Did you know that the pleading here was typed by Berg and is not signed? You can file anything in the Courts...ask the Judge to order Twinkies at lunchtime instead of Ho-Hos...the Judge signing the Order to produce documents is not an endorsement of Berg's position, he is just requesting the production of documents.

You obviously are not in the legal field. Also, if you do some research, you will find that Berg is not a respected attorney, but considered a loon. That's why he asks for donations on his website to help defray costs for his life-long project...sort of like the bridge to nowhere.

Webmaster: I don't believe you have to be in the legal field to have a basic understanding of this issue. It's a valid lawsuit filed in Pennsylvania Eastern Federal District Court. Fact Check is displaying a document printed just a few years ago, which is not an original birth certificate, leaving many to wonder why no original birth certificate has been presented in response to the many rumors that Barack Obama may not qualify as an American Citizen. There are also other questions regarding citizenship that are discussed in the lawsuit. This blog post acknowledges that the court document shown was submitted, but not yet signed by the judge as an order. The following link may be viewed to examine the documents related to this lawsuit: http://dockets.justia.com/docket/court-paedce/case_no-2:2008cv04083/case_id-281573/

Jill

In order for the average American to get a job in America you have to produce a certified or notarized copy of your birth certificate to prove that you are an American. My parents were both Americans, but I still have to prove my citizenship by offering up my birth certificate to an employer. And someone who is going to be employed by the American people to represent them had better be held to the same standards.

Poppet

Berg vs Obama will be "Aired" Monday at 4 pm & 10 pm on Fox News affiliate WUPW Toledo, OHIO you can view after 10 pm on www.mytoledonews.com Dan the Man

Poppet

I was just reading about the "Unclean Hand's Doctrine" for use against "Plaintiff's". I would wonder if it can be used against "Defendant's" involvement with "Factcheck", and Moveon. org concerning the alledgely "Fraudulent Birth Certificate! Or, the Congressman Eni...Dan

Andy from Dover

I checked the page

http://dockets.justia.com/docket/court-paedce/case_no-2:2008cv04083/case_id-281573/

and found

RESPONSE in Opposition re 15 MOTION for Protective Order Staying Discovery Pending Decision on Dispositive Motion Brief in Support thereof and Certificate of Service filed by PHILIP J. BERG. (BERG, PHILIP) (Entered: 10/09/2008)

and read (among other things)

Response in Opposition thereto, it is hereby
ORDERED and DECREED as follows:

1. Defendants Motion for Protective Order Staying Discovery pending the Court’s Decision on Defendants dispositive Motion is

DENIED;

2. Defendants are hereby ORDERED to Answer Plaintiff’s
Discovery Requests by way of Admissions and Request for
Production of Documents by October 15, 2008.

The full pdf is available for download. It's worth downloading and reading. At least we'll have answers to the questions.

Poppet

Something is afoul with Obama's Record's. Not only his Birth Certificate, but also his College Record's which are being held. ( I think he might have received Scholarship Grant's as a Foreign Student.)
On Hannity's show on Sunday 10/05 I think he said there was some interest by a Saudi to see him go to Harvard.
I know you have all this info, but now I'm checking the Kenyan Laws.

Attached I Found this on a website: Some people say that Kenya can reinstate a Kenyan citizen by a Act of Parliament, regardless if they want to or not.? So how could we have a President who might be subject to this? Or can they?

see Kenya Laws: http://kenya.rcbowen.com/constitution/chap6.html

Provision may be made by or under an Act of Parliament for extending beyond the specified date the period in which a person may make a renunciation of citizenship. take an oath or make or register a declaration for the purposes of this section. and, if provision is so made. that person shall not cease to be a citizen of Kenya upon the specified date but shall cease to be a citizen upon the expiration of the extended period if he has not then made the renunciation. taken the oath or made or registered the declaration. as the case may be.

I have no idea what this mean's, and I'm certainly Not a Lawyer. I was looking at the dates.
I think that Obama Sr. (if in fact he was the Father) automatically became a Kenyan Citizen in 1963. Barry Obama was born in 1961 either in Kenya or Hawaii. I believe Obama Sr. died in 1982. Obama would have been 20 or 21. I think Obama had to be 21 or 23 to renounce Citizenship, otherwise he would inherit his Father's. I don't know? You Read It!
It seems also that an Act of Parliament can change the Rules if they wish?

Webmaster: I agree, the possible scholarship grants as a foreign student could be a reason, as well as possible "private" donations or scholarships toward his education by middle eastern characters. Has anyone heard much on this angle?

Poppet

Mr. Berg should just contact Immigration & Custom's Enforcement at: www.ice.gov and report an illegal alien. or
www.reportillegals.com that would be fun!

Mastertexan

I'd almost be willing to bet that judge is a democrat....

fc

Don't you people ever bother to look at sources other than ones that are clearly partisan one way or the other before you spout off about things?

http://www.factcheck.org/askfactcheck/has_obamas_birth_certificate_been_disclosed.html

At the very least, you need to bookmark http://www.factcheck.org and http://www.snopes.com and look at them before you post.

Webmaster: The legal filing is valid and that is what is being reported here. In fairness, I will leave the links you have provided to FactCheck and Snopes.

Tired of Obama-tards

"BTW, a neighbor of mine contacted the US Attorney's office in Philadelphia yesterday, I think it was, and they couldn't find a single thing to suggest that there is a suit like this filed by anyone named Berg nor is there a Judge who had agreed to hear the non-existant suit. This whole thing seems to be rumor/propaganda that was created and spread around the internet to further villify Senator Obama as a scary, non-American infiltrator."

ooOOH, and did I forget to mention that he's black? Now, that's really SCARY, isn't it? BOOOOOO!"

"RedPatriot" - some far left wing communist, hence the "red."

Considering an Obama supporter claims the above, it's probably safe to say the opposite is true. OOOH, did I fail to mention that there are white people who think Obama is a a two-bit con artist and an imbecile? Now, that's really SCARY isn't it? BOOOOOO!

FYI From the Webmaster:

You might want to check the facts yourself, instead of letting your neighbor do the work for you. Justia.com is a trusted database for locating documents filed in the federal court system. Had you read the story and followed the links, you would have been able to confirm for yourself that the lawsuit was filed, does indeed exist, and can be viewed on Justia.com at the following URL: http://dockets.justia.com/docket/court-paedce/case_no-2:2008cv04083/case_id-281573/

Your comments provide valuable insight for the rest of us that can't understand why so many people are supporting Barack Obama. Obviously, like you, they are voting based on what they are told and not what they learn through their own research.

Andy from Dover

The real questions I have are these.

1) How did Barack Obama live for four years in Indonesia without obtaining Indonesian citizenship?

2) Barack claimed to hold an Indonesian passport. How did he obtain it without obtaining Indonesian citizenship?

3) If he did obtain Indonesian citizenship to gain multi-year residency and a passport how did he retain his US citizenship when, just recently, Indonesia considered allowing dual citizenship.

"In July 2006 the Indonesian Parliament passed new legislation allowing children under age 18 to maintain a foreign nationality as well as Indonesian citizenship."

from

http://travel.state.gov/travel/cis_pa_tw/cis/cis_2052.html

It's October, SURPRISE! :-)

RedPatriot

I was of the impression that Barack Obama's mother was an American citizen by birth, which would make him an American citizen by right of birth, as well. The author of the above article also mentions that Obama said he held joint American and Kenyan citizenship until he was 18 which is when he chose to renounce his Kenyan citizenship in favor of his American citizenship. He had to do one or the other at that time and he chose to forever be an American. Quite patriotic of him, wouldn't you say?

Joint citizenship such as that is very common for children born overseas to one American parent and one non-American parent. I've personally known many such children and adults throughout my life.

I've never heard anyone argue that Obama's mother was anything other than an American. But, it appears that is what you are implying here with your apparent support of this suit.

BTW, a neighbor of mine contacted the US Attorney's office in Philadelphia yesterday, I think it was, and they couldn't find a single thing to suggest that there is a suit like this filed by anyone named Berg nor is there a Judge who had agreed to hear the non-existant suit. This whole thing seems to be rumor/propaganda that was created and spread around the internet to further villify Senator Obama as a scary, non-American infiltrator.

ooOOH, and did I forget to mention that he's black? Now, that's really SCARY, isn't it? BOOOOOO!

FYI From the Webmaster:

You might want to check the facts yourself, instead of letting your neighbor do the work for you. Justia.com is a trusted database for locating documents filed in the federal court system. Had you read the story and followed the links, you would have been able to confirm for yourself that the lawsuit was filed, does indeed exist, and can be viewed on Justia.com at the following URL: http://dockets.justia.com/docket/court-paedce/case_no-2:2008cv04083/case_id-281573/

Your comments provide valuable insight for the rest of us that can't understand why so many people are supporting Barack Obama. Obviously, like you, they are voting based on what they are told and not what they learn through their own research.

Dee

This is another of those things that we take for granted; that the credentials qualifications would be checked of any person who runs for this office. This type of lack of prudence is what got us in the Wall street mess too. Somebody check the papers. Cripes! If I buy a dog I check the papers to see if it is registered before I pay the money. We all "assume" that the parties (govenmental posts) charged with this diligence are meeting their responsibilities. Maybe he is qualified, maybe not, but if not, own up to it, get the records inspected. We are in enough of a mess now, we don't need more. I agree that his birth certificate should not be published, None of us would want that. Someone outside of his own party and in a governmental role must certify his validity for the post.

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